Me laying the smack-down on Cleric.

Evolution is backed by fact, practice, and evidence.

 

It's not a belief, because your not taking anything of faith.

 

Christianity is however, faith based, because it's not based on fact or evidence.

 

I wish ignorant people stopped making this assumption.

 

Modern Biology, Biochemistry, Genetics, virtually all facets of biological science rely on evolutionary theory, and it being correct; which for the most part it is, constantly updated taxonomic and morphological artifacts (fossils and shit) constantly revamp the evolutionary tree, but do not undermine it's inner workings.

Give me 1 scientific fact that proves evolution, 1, and I will concede defeat.

 

Evolution is a theory, so is Creation, both have scientific reasons to either prove they are right or disprove the other is wrong, but neither have factual evidence that proves that their theory is the correct one. But if you ask most scientists why they think evolution is the truth, even though there is no solid fact that proves it, they say that is what they think or believe (most of the time they are very careful to use the word think, and not believe, since they know that will open the door to more arguments). So they make the assumption that evolution is true and look for reasons to back it up. That puts Evolution under the belief category.

 

A belief is something that someone thinks is the truth even though they cannot prove it.

 

Also, where did the first atom or piece of matter come from that caused evolution to be possible?

Ok, that's easy observed fast evolution in butterflys.

 

(I don't want you to conceed defeat dude, because gaining a more true understanding of something(s) or everything, is never a defeat.)

 

Although, I'm sure this isn't "proof" to you, you want a Crocoduck like James Cameron. (although that would disprove Evolution, not prove it)

 

But, you realize that Evolution has more behind it then Gravity does, right? (scientifically speaking)

 

Most anybody who would ask for proof of Evolution, has virtually no understanding of it at all.

 

Evolution is not some Pokemon trick, or a Chimp becoming a Man.

 

It's the effects of environmental pressures, natural selection, and random mutation on populations (not individual organisms); an effect which is increased when populations are isolated and small (like the Galapagos' ecosystem which Darwin was researching when he came to this conclusion).

 

Evolution doesn't deal with any life before DNA/RNA either, that would be abiogenesis/biopoesis.

 

Evolution certainly has nothing to do with planets and physics.

 

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"Also, where did the first atom or piece of matter come from that caused evolution to be possible?" - You

 

Now, either your diving into Big Bang theory (or string theory), or you think Evolution is somehow connected to Cosmology.

 

I don't know where the matter in the universe came from, nobody does, although claiming to know what happened (Religion) and trying to figure out what happened (Science) are two different endeavors.

 

I believe (on theory, as evidence and fact are hard to figure out when your dealing with trillions of years ago, billions of light-years away, and quantum mechanics) that matter and energy always exist, in one form or another, but we really don't understand matter and the Big Bang very well, kinda hard to investigate the events of 14 trillion years ago when most of the world is telling you your going to burn in hell for questioning God, and your a terrible person the answers where discovered by men of faith, who heard voices in their heads, over 2000 years ago when everybody thought the world was flat, the sky was a dome with holes poked in it, and that birds blood will cure leprosy.

 

Truly the Christian incite into science and the universe must be vast and comprehensive. (same as it's moral incite)

 

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/Enganacious/1252180075979.jpg <- mfw

 

It has nothing to do with Evolution, or Hitler, Evolution also has nothing to do with Hitler, he was a Creationist.

 

Besides, why must we understand the origin of matter to understand Evolution?

 

This is all making me think your some typical Christian Creationist, who thinks Evolution tries to explain everything, which it doesn't; Evolution is the mechanism by which natural selection, environmental pressures, alleles variants, random mutation, and population genetics/mechanics all work to improve on existing species, it's slow, and generally not observed as a direct occurrence (Evolution is not something individuals experience, it's a species-based thing, that's why it's called speciation; which makes sense because Darwin's book was "On the Origin of Species", not "On the Origin of Life"); but it's supported by every bit of fossil evidence, every part of modern genetics, biology, biochemistry, and so on.

 

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FYI, I'm not particularly excited by the proposition of arguing Evolution with someone who clearly doesn't understand it, at all.

 

On another note, I keep indulging your questions, how about you indulge mine?

 

Because (as I'd like to point out) Evolution has nothing to do with Hitler, as he was a Creationist who thought Evolution was mumbo jumbo.

 

So, you gonna answer my questions now?

 

#1. Do you believe Jesus is coming back to Earth?

 

#2. Do you believe in Objective or Subjective morals?

I never said evolution proves the origin of the universe, I was merely showing that in order to believe in evolution, there had to be a start, and no science has been able to show how it started, it is unexplainable, hard to have evolution with no start.

 

And the butterfly thing is cool, but not an example of Macro-Evolution (the process of a species evolving to another). The fossil record you are so fond of has no in between fossils. There has never been a fossil found once that shows an intermediary from 1 species to another, which evolution hinges on. No in between stage, no evolution. And the few "in-betweens" that were supposedly found were later found out as hoaxes by scientists to try and prove evolution was true.

 

You can't call it obvious if there is no proof. It is obvious to those who want it to be true and claim science is the end all of all things, and refuse to believe spiritual things exist, and there is no other possibility, just science. But so far, that science has proved squat, despite people trying to prove it for decades.

 

And I wonder how old you think the earth is, because if it is million or billions of years old, how do you explain the expansion of the universe (the earth is moving at .00378 mph or something like that away from the sun), because if it was that old, either everything was burned up long ago making life impossible, or everything would be too cold to now to live.

I never said evolution proves the origin of the universe, I was merely showing that in order to believe in evolution, there had to be a start, and no science has been able to show how it started, it is unexplainable, hard to have evolution with no start.

 

Well then, I suppose all science should stop, because we haven't fully explained the Big Bang, by that logic then huh?

 

Your ignorance is both painful and astounding.

 

And the butterfly thing is cool, but not an example of Macro-Evolution (the process of a species evolving to another). The fossil record you are so fond of has no in between fossils. There has never been a fossil found once that shows an intermediary from 1 species to another, which evolution hinges on. No in between stage, no evolution. And the few "in-betweens" that were supposedly found were later found out as hoaxes by scientists to try and prove evolution was true.

 

Again, I have no interests in discussing Evolution with someone who clearly doesn't understand it, and has had too much Ray Comfort to be taken honestly or intelligently on the matter. Micro vs. Macro Evolution is just bullshit cooked up by Creationists to go "no, that's not evolution" whenever evidence is presented.

 

As for their being no intermediate/transitional fossils/species,

and

, as for the "hoaxes" I present

.

 

If you really want to push the Macro vs. Micro Evolution, then give me a clear and finite definition for Macro-Evolution and Micro-Evolution, and I will get you an example of Macro-Evolution. Going to be kinda hard to do though, because it's just Creationist hokum, so I'll be waiting to see this. But you can rest assured it either will fit Evolution (and have evidence for it) or it won't fit with Evolution, and would be proof against it (like a Crocoduck).

 

But this is further failing to see that "Micro-Evolution", like my butterfly example, IS Evolution; one species doesn't just become another one every once in awhile; your thinking that this is the case, shows you don't have a real grasp of Evolutionary theory, hopefully the vids in this post will help.

 

You can't call it obvious if there is no proof. It is obvious to those who want it to be true and claim science is the end all of all things, and refuse to believe spiritual things exist, and there is no other possibility, just science. But so far, that science has proved squat, despite people trying to prove it for decades.

 

Queue up the VIDEO LESSON OF THE DAY.

 

 

How's that for proof?

 

And I wonder how old you think the earth is, because if it is million or billions of years old, how do you explain the expansion of the universe (the earth is moving at .00378 mph or something like that away from the sun), because if it was that old, either everything was burned up long ago making life impossible, or everything would be too cold to now to live.

 

I can't even argue the point, because I don't know the basis of the argument your making, let me see some math and hard numbers explaining why the Earth is "too old" and should be so far away from the Sun that everything would be dead, going by general scientific conclusions. Show me your work, as they say in math class.

 

Like this...

 

The Sun is an average of 149 million miles from Earth (147/152 million being the closest/furthest we get, on a yearly basis), now this is a very easy thing to discern nowadays, due to technological and technical advances in Astrology.

 

Saying the Earth is moving away at 0.00378 mph roughly equates to it moving about 33 miles a year (approx.), away from the Sun.

 

(That would be taking 8765 [the hours in a year] x 0.00378 miles per hour [the proposed speed of escape])

 

So, Dinosaurs pose a huge problem for your (or whomever it is) "theory".

 

Dinosaurs lived up until about 65 million years ago (unless your going to dispute that too).

 

(65 million years ago @ 33mpy [miles per year] away from the Sun = 2.145 billion miles (approx.) closer [yes, that's billion with a B])

 

So the Earth traveled from the other side of the Sun, through it (presumably), and ended up where it is today?

 

There are serious problems with that theory, mainly that it's bogus and entirely wrong.

 

(me assuming your not full-retard, and a young-earth Creationist)

 

But from what I gather, somebody you've talked to, or read the work of; has explained a ground-breaking scientific theory that will change the perception of the Earth's age forever (not to mention Astrology/Cosmology and gravity), holy shit, why hasn't this guy won a Nobel Prize? oh, probably because the "evidence" is just more bullshit, and his "theories" got thrown out a long time ago.

 

Also, I'm pretty sure the Earth is about 4.5 billion years, based on the variety of radiometric dating methods and all the other scientific methods by which we have ascertained the age of the Earth, and alot of other things in our Universe as well. But I suppose a book and a Preacher telling me that it's all bogus, and that God created Earth with magic, or whatever reasons people under these pretenses could cook up (Christian apologists, creation/intelligent design "sciences", etc..), is not only true, but also so much more likely. (HA!)

FYI, all your arguments have been made before, and shut down, so please continue so I can practice my reference finding skills.

 

I've heard the "give me evidence and I'm wrong" thing before, and just as I predicted, it's not evidence enough for you; what you fail to realize is one species does not simply turn into another, it's a slow process of progressive changes that may lead to sub-species that are after enough time and change, infertile with one another. Just more of me showing you have a bullshit understanding of

and yet make claims against it like you had a degree in Biology and knew better, I guess God just fills us with the Holy Arrogance.

 

Also, before you get on a Jesus-powered rant about how the Scientific Community is out to get Religion, you might want to accept the possibility that you could be wrong (which as far I can tell, you've never done seriously), which is the very premise of scientific endeavor (falsifiability), and as for Atheists having it out for Religion, it might be slightly justified, if it was true.

 

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/Enganacious/1290257075980.jpg <- Unfortunately our revenge is discovering the truth.

 

I'm going to quote Ben Stein "love of God, compassion and empathy lead you to a very glorious place, Science leads you to killing people", I don't think I have to anything to show how this is both hate-speech and destructive to humanity.

 

(and yes, he said that, I got it from Thunderf00t's

@ 7:20)

 

So, you gonna answer my questions now?

 

#1. Do you believe Jesus is coming back to Earth?

 

#2. Do you believe in Objective or Subjective morals?

 

(funny to point out you can't even answer if your going to answer them or not)

 

(even funnier to point out you demand evidence for scientific theories, but don't demand any evidence for the claims of your religion)

 

Or...

 

#3. When, if at all, do you think Dinosaurs existed?

 

#4. Are you going to continue this idiotic display of your scientific illiteracy? (like how intermediate species are all hoaxes,

)

 

I imagine the last one will get a "yes" albeit if only implied.

 

Note: the vids I link to in my posts here, are part of my response, so I suggest you watch them.