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#1 OLDER BALDER FATTER SLOWER

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 06:22 PM

Simple question, but the answer(s) are usually less so. By what merits (e.g. difficulty to play, mass appeal, etc.) do you guage how "good" a piece of music is? Or do you consider it as simple as "If I like it, it's good; if I don't, it's crap."

Discuss?

Edited by Ataraxis, 28 January 2012 - 04:44 AM.


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 06:33 PM

This is a very silly question.

For that, you should watch this somewhat long and to most, boring video.



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Posted 27 January 2012 - 07:14 PM

I was going to nonchalantly agree that it was a silly question until I watched that informative and entertaining video.

I actually considered giving "evolutionary conditioning" as a reason exemplar, but chose not to so as to keep the list breif. However, in the video, the notion of the virtuoso (and so, skill, or difficulty of a piece) is brought into consideration and largely put forth as the reason why someone may like something as a result of that evolutionary conditioning. I take issue with this.

Regardless of the type of music, there is almost always some degree of skill or difficulty involved, but the degree to which varies. However, it's fairly common for music that is less technically involved to attract, and be enjoyed by, a much larger audience of people. The virtuoso is not always the preferred or enjoyed musician. As well, bringing musical genre back into consideration, some may enjoy a fantastic classical composition yet loathe its equivalent in metal, and vice versa.

My point here is that not everyone agrees with the notion that skill or difficulty level increases, or simply determines, the level of attractiveness a piece of music has (myself among them). While there is a degree of underlying objective consideration in play (again, music almost always involves some type of skill), I can't agree that there is a single objective answer.

Yee-haw. Good response, Raor.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 08:36 PM

I didn't watch the vid, and don't really want to but I have a different view of music than other people I've asked.

Basically from my limited observations other people like to play songs that represent the mood they are in, so if a person is really angry they will probably play an angry song. Music is actually more of a tool to me, a tool that I use to control my mood at any given time. Rather than play an angry song when I'm angry I will play a calm one in contrast to induce me to calm down. Since angry and sad are emotions I never want, I typically don't listen to those kinds of songs at all and they make up maybe 3-4 of my 1000 or so library of songs. Also because of my take on music, the songs that are the best to me are the ones that can make the biggest change in my mood. For instance, Modal Soul by Nujabes has unconditionally put me in a state of serenity. Therefore it is one of the best in my list because of how effective it is for my goal. So things like difficulty and actual "goodness" don't show up anywhere in how much I like a song. Also as a result I am not a fan of any artists and I don't really share musical tastes with much of anyone :(
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Posted 27 January 2012 - 08:46 PM

I'd probably just music similar to other fine arts. Their merit is based upon a combination of lots of things.

It could be:

The meaning in the songs lyrics/ instrumental compositions and how strongly people associate with them
The portrayed effort said artist took towards the song, and what they're making the song for
The impact said songs/band has had on music in general-- a bit hard to judge unless it's an older artist
The quality of the actual recording and mastering of the song
The dynamism of the song's elements and passages, and how they interact
The degree of difficulty or talent shown by the artist/s playing the song

Among many more.

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 09:28 PM

The video I posted gives good concepts behind the subconscious factors to aesthetics.

All you have to do is throw a self-aware, learning system that's conditioned by nature and nurture, and organizes itself generally as a social organism; along with the psychological pitfalls of still being basically an educated ape.

Not to be a downer.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 05:05 AM

To Raor;

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Clarification for urrrrrbody else (and Raor);

I'm not looking for why anyone thinks others like the music they do (or why people like music in general). I'm asking from each his or her opinion on why he or she thinks he or she likes the music he or she does, as an individual. What's the single most important factor?

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 12:20 PM

"The beauty we find in skilled performances" like the guy said in the video sounds about right for me. Regarding instruments, any player that shows any kind of finesse in music theory usually results in a good song to me. Regarding singing, any singer that I find can sing well likewise usually makes for a good song as well. Probably explains why I don't mind a lot of music genres ranging from metal, to pop, to house, to classical, to jazz (though frankly, I hardly have any exposure to jazz), to whatever genre this is, I mean, obviously there are certain extremes where no amount of instrumental skill can redeem horrible singing (which turned me off of ska, for example), and vice versa. It ends up, though, that I have a pretty conservative definition of what I consider "good" music, but I'm fine with that because I'll openly like songs that I don't consider good (ie electrohouse/skrillexstep/club music in general/screamo).

It's kind of interesting because before I knew anything about music theory, I'd agree with what Ren said about music tastes reflecting emotion. Post-music classes, though, I seem to have lost my keenness for emotion in music, and I'm always bewildered when people say that metal is angry music haha.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 02:04 PM

View Postwktk, on 28 January 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

...I'll openly like songs that I don't consider good (ie electrohouse/skrillexstep/club music in general/screamo).

This is a pretty interesting (and honest) comment. I'd have to think you'd still say that music "sounds" good, though, right? I mean, I can share the sentiment. I like some pretty tacky shit as far as paintings go, but I still end up saying it "looks good," rather than "Looks like shit. I love it." Haha.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 03:34 PM

I don't care how good anyone's points are, skrillex will always remain garbage.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 04:02 PM

My musical tastes are completely skewed and bizarre. For the most part I can only enjoy fast hard electronic music. The "best" of my category have a lot of flow to the refrains and subsections of the songs, along with contrasting synths and melody. In general, the more complicated and finely composed while still retaining a characteristic flow = the better. I look at my music as fine art or abstract paintings. It's not so much about the "performance" or "execution" of the song, but rather it's intricate composition.

Also heavy beastly bass. I need lots and lots of bass. And general bipolarness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVvLPxMYqR0

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ne of my favorite songs, Hixxy is a god of happycore. Dude sucks at dj'ing live, but damn can he compose a song.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 04:24 PM

View PostAtaraxis, on 28 January 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:

This is a pretty interesting (and honest) comment. I'd have to think you'd still say that music "sounds" good, though, right? I mean, I can share the sentiment. I like some pretty tacky shit as far as paintings go, but I still end up saying it "looks good," rather than "Looks like shit. I love it." Haha.
I think how it pans out is that it's some lower tier of "good," if you will. Like if someone said that a song I consider good-good is bad, I'd defend it pretty vehemently, but for "good"-good songs, I'd be pretty indifferent to it.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 08:29 PM

The song has to be fun without being gimmicky.
Gimmicky = most of the garbage they consider new age hits on the radio.
Person also has to be able to sing. For example, first time I heard Tik Tok I thought it had a decent beat. Once Kesha started actually singing, I changed it. Also the reason I hate country is cause no country singer sings well. They sing like a redneck/hick (obviously) and that's unacceptable to me.
Nice beats, good vocals. Give me that and anything (cept country) could be good to me.

I think my tastes in music evolved in this order: my 'Pink Floyd' phase, then I listened to dance music on sirius, then more underground electronica which is basically the stuff I imagine Tsu to listen to, fell in love with house music, and then it became indie garbage. Took me to realize a lot of indie shit is not worth listening to, and now my tastes are refined.

I'm also a sucker for girly love songs. This is a terrible answer to the initial question.

Edited by Jackson Lacey, 28 January 2012 - 08:43 PM.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 11:30 PM

View PostTsuranga, on 28 January 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:


Also heavy beastly bass. I need lots and lots of bass. And general bipolarness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVvLPxMYqR0

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ne of my favorite songs, Hixxy is a god of happycore. Dude sucks at dj'ing live, but damn can he compose a song.

That song has like no bass, brah.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:18 PM

lol at limiting anger being the only emotion composed in metal.

Edited by Barilzar, 07 February 2012 - 10:38 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:08 AM

@ wktk (lolname);

Makes sense. Kind of a don't push your opinion, see where someone else might get the idea that it's not good type notion. I can get behind that.

@ Jackson;

Nah, that's a good answer. It's honest.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:41 PM

I think I know a key factor to good music.

That it not be a glorified bass track.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 12:13 PM

if tsu doesnt like it, its good music

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 02:02 PM

The hate for Tsu's taste in music pretty much gets to the heart of the original question. I dig that.

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 04:31 PM

Tsu's example song was okay. Started off with an overused chord progression that it didn't try to mask, but it masked it well enough later.

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