Master Ocelot Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 9mm better than 45?... Haha, no. I'm sure some 9mm weapons are awesome, like the MP5, but really, 45 weapons just rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
█␢█ Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 (edited) UMP45.http://x84.alo.ru/spool/weapons/submachine_guns/012_ump45.jpg Edited February 8, 2010 by /b/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ocelot Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 http://www.wolfarmouries.co.uk/airsoft/bb/bin/image-lib/site/g36tan001.jpgThe G36C...airsoft style, though without the stupid orange muzzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 45 has stopping power 9mm allows for more rounds, lower recoil, and still has enough power to do its job and if its personal defense, id rather have a 12ga. shotty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butts Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 We're talking about real life, open/concealed carry. If you get caught having a gun pointed at you, would you rather kill in the first two shots, or the first five? Those three extra make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUMERIAN BLOOD GOD Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 10mm > .45 > 9mm http://www.dayattherange.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/glock291.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 45 and 9mm esssentially have the same stopping power. 5 shots of an 9mm is a pretty big exaggeration and you can accurately double tap a helluva lot faster than you can with a 45, meaning youll get more shots in faster and if i was carrying it around, 9mm guns are generally lighter than 45s, so 9mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ocelot Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 You shoulnd't have to fire off so many shots, with a 45. you can put two rounds into the enemies chest, killing near instantly, with a 9mm you can fire faster, but that hardly makes a differance if you have to shoot the guy nine times before he goes down. Bigger bullets trump faster firing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 i dont see why people think 9mm is that incredibly weak, because it isnt. at the very most, itll take 4 shots to stop someone. and if this is for personal defense, keep in mind you are probably only going to use the gun in a life or death situation, making the user extremely stressed if not properly trained, throwing off the users general abiblity to function (and even then, youll still be wired). you wont be able to aim with 100% at a specific bodypart, making the generally faster firing and more controllable 9mm more reliable. you also have to take into account how many targets, how much collateral damage you might cause, and if you do miss any shots and your target isnt down what are you going to do? if you miss, the 9mm is much more forgiving with more ammo and lower recoil to re-aim. 45 will take longer to accurately re-aim and and you try to shell out rounds too fast youll be shooting air or someone/something else9mm = efficiency, 45 = power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUMERIAN BLOOD GOD Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 That's bogus. You can't claim a max number of shots to stop anyone. I read a new report where a guy on PCP took 9 shots from a 9mm before he went down. I've read a report where a guy took 3 shots from a .45 (one in the chest, one in the abdomen, and one in the leg) and ran several blocks before he collapsed. The fact of the matter is that you can never be sure of how someone is going to react to being shot. What you can control is the size of the hit they're going to take. A bigger, more powerful projectile is more likely to stop them than a smaller one is. The firing rate of these pistols is negligible; you're either going to fire as fast as you can pull the trigger (and miss horribly in all likelihood) or you're going to make concentrated shots. However, any armament is better than no armament when it comes down to it. I'm thinking about getting a handgun. I'm still a year away from qualifying for a CHL but Texas allows for you to carry a concealed handgun on your way to your vehicle from your home, vice-versa, and while in your home or vehicle. It has to be concealed from view in your vehicle though. Anyways, I think I'm going to go down to the gun shop down the road and start seeing how certain ones feel in my hand. I'm really looking to get something in 10mm but we'll need to see how much that'll run me. Handguns are too expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 9mms are nice from my experience with them. I never tried to kill anyone though. Protect and serve, or some shit. I prefer winged spears and mirdan hammers though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adonael Posted February 12, 2010 Report Share Posted February 12, 2010 I can guarantee no one will run away if you shoot them with a Colt Python. http://www.capachat.com/im/articles/capachat_colt_python-357-Magnum180362.jpg Its a heavy S.O.B though. Glock 17 and AK-47, though the AK-47 is a pretty cheep weapon and isn't the best weapon ever made. Speaking of which, I'm partial to the SVD Dragnov sniper rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 http://i595.photobucket.com/albums/tt31/ireallypwn/disguised-weapons-1.jpghttp://i595.photobucket.com/albums/tt31/ireallypwn/disguised-weapons-2.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted February 18, 2010 Report Share Posted February 18, 2010 That is absolutely brilliant. Outstanding. That tissue box shotgun made my morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/Enganacious/676A0007.jpgMe with a Remington 700, Horus Scope, and some other little add-ons. http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/Enganacious/676A0006.jpgMe with an M82A1 Barrett, "50 cal", it can be shoulder fired FYI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liarbird Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/Enganacious/676A0006.jpgMe with an M82A1 Barrett, "50 cal", it can be shoulder fired FYI. I tried to point one off the shoulder. My weak little arms gave way so fast... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 (edited) Lift weights more, also pushups. ~ I'm working on my wishlist of guns and equipment when I get my grant from a buddy of mine, he's giving me money to strictly purchase guns and related items for my personal arsenal. x2 Rifle Dynamics treated Arsenal SLR-107FR, Nickle Boron Finish, Krebs MkVI Safety, FSC47 flash hiders, Hogue pistol grips, Ultimak rails; one with Fuller modified iron sights, the other with XS Big Dots; I'll also be picking up Surefire G2's and Vltor mounts, an EOTech XPS, Aimpoint Micro, and an EER/Handgun scope for a scout rifle setup, and corresponding magazines and drums; as well as Slings. x1 Rifle Dynamics treated PSL (Dragunov), with Nickle Boron Finish, a Vortex 308 flash hider (provided it's compatable), Hogue pistol grip, Ironwood Designs Dragunov wooden stock, Bipod mount and bipod, and a PSO scope. Also mags and sling. x1 Saiga-12 with a TBD race gun configuration. Handguns and webbing are also TBD. Edited April 1, 2010 by Enganacious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomrah Posted May 30, 2010 Report Share Posted May 30, 2010 Some guns I like.Heres are two Walther firearms I appreciate.http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/waltherwa2000.jpgThe WA2000, a semi-automatic bullpup sniper rifle designed in the late 1970's. It was designed in response to the 1972 Munich Olympic Massacre. The whole gun is designed around channeling recoil in a linear fashion back into the shooters shoulder for comfortable firing. The barrel is floated for cooling and to better handle vibrations and the front clamp on the barrel prevents the gun from fractional lifting upon firing. The bullpup configuration allows a more compact design, maintaining a long barrel while keeping the overall gun length to a minimum.http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/walther-p38.jpgThe Walther P-38, one of the most recognizable pistols of German origin, developed to replace the Luger. Gotta love the Megatron gun. Also I like the curious design of these two recoil operated revolvers. The British Webley Fosbery with its daring design, it worked well under good conditions, but under dirty conditions the machanism proved fragile.http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/webleyfosberry.jpgThanks to the Webley Fosbery we now have the Mateba. The Mateba is a Italian recoil operated revolver. Some interesting facts on the Mateba, Its upper assembly containing the barrel, cylinder and frame slides on rails connected to the lower assembly. Unlike conventional revolvers which require you to manually cock the hammer either by pulling the hammer back or by pulling the trigger, the Mateba cocks the hammer during the rearward motion of the recoil phase, the Mateba also rotates the cylinder on its forward motion. Also the Mateba's barrel is alligned with the bottom of the cylinder (6 o'clock postion) which is for directing the recoil into the shooters hand reducing muzzle flip which is common in revolvers. I also really like how it looks.http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/mateba.jpg I'll also list the Sturmgewehr 44 "Storm Rifle", the father of the assault rifle. Developed in Nazi Germany during World War II, it fired from a 30 round clip at a cyclical rate of 500 rpm. One of the most innovative and influential firearms in history, and is widely thought as the direct inspiration for the AK47.http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/mp44.jpg Heres the gun I'm hopefully looking to get. The Ruger Mini-14. Heres are two fancy photos of this solid rifle.http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/ruger_mini_14.jpghttp://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/mini14.jpg Heres the Belgian made FN P90. One of my favorite modern firearms due to its highly innovative design. It was made as a submachine gun with better stopping power, utilizing the new, more powerful 5.7x28mm round. One of the coolest aspects of the gun is that the magazine lies flat along the top of the gun, sending rounds to the rear. Empty cases are ejected down through the pistol grip.http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/fn-p90_henrik-lantz.jpg One of my favorite modern assault rifles is the HK G36 developed in Germany by Heckler & Koch. I absolutely love the look and its highly reliable build quality.http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/G36RIFLE.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 lol, Mateba http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/Enganacious/wallz7176_1272594508142.jpg 10mm > .45 > 9mm Well that's a misnomer, it's relavent to the target, distances, and ammo. For example, 127gr. Winchester "Ranger Talon" SXT in 9mm > 230gr. FMJ .45 ACP But this is for purposes of killing human beings. With something like a grizzly bear, a 10mm 230gr. Hardcast (Double-Tap) out of a Glock 20 with a Lone Wolf barrel is going to be a solid bet even in comparison with .44 and .454 (as well as larger ones as well) revolvers. This is because the challenge is penetration, it's shot placement that's going to save your ass, even a 12ga slug in the leg doesn't stop a pissed grizzly, but a 10mm in the brain case will. 9mm with good hollowpoints are excellent man-stoppers, they will do the damage, make quick follow up shots, and pack lots of bullets into each magazine. Not to mention 9mm being so popular and widely used, makes it a very cheap round to buy for training purposes. .45 ACP usually packs a monsterous level of knock-down power, because it's a slower moving, heavy fat bullet that usually delivers alot if not all of it's energy in target; .45 ACP frangible would be a perfect round for dropping a dude dead with one shot to the torso; but they're expensive, and there are some people out there not comfortable with shooting a big 45. 10mm is going to deliver alot more penetration, especially with hardcast rounds. But it's a high-velocity cartridge that really shines with frangible ammo, 10mm frangible will be like eating a .308 rifle round at close range, F-U-C-K-I-N-G-D-E-A-D-B-R-O. 40 S&W is a tamer version of the 10mm, as well as being vastly more common and much cheaper; it's a less violent round to shoot. .357 is probably the fastest of the lot, a reason behind why alot of people are looking into it. ~ All of these calibers work. FrangiblesHollowpointsHardcastBall (FMJ) Frangible rounds are bullets that are basically a compressed metal powder, that will punch through the kind of stuff you want a bullet to shoot through, but when it hits fleshy things, the bullet comes apart into very small bits. While this doesn't sound like a good thing, it means the bullet delivers 100% of it's energy into the target, causing a massive internal cavity, with usually no exit wound. They do have problems with anything possessing a tough exterior (cars, vests, thick hides i.e. large animals). Hollowpoints have cavities and in many cases specialized designs; there are "solid" ones which are all one metal, usually a copper alloy, soft cored ones like Winchester SXT, and more conventional hollowpoints which are like regular ball rounds with a cavity dug out of the tip. JHP's are technically hollowpoints but their performance is generally much weaker then a true hollowpoint as they are usually not really intended to expand. Hardcast rounds are for shooting dangerous game because it'll punch through a big animal like a bear or moose. But I would imagine a bonded hollow point (one with a plastic filler in the point to improve penetration and flight stability) would be for a caliber of sufficient power (.45/10mm) almost as solid a choice. Ball rounds are any that have solid jackets (copper, copper alloy, brass, etc..) they are not designed to expand or fragment, they are usually the poorest performers in terms of terminal ballistics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liarbird Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 (edited) I recently fell in love with this rifle the LR300 platform http://sadpanda.us/images/148163-J5XEWII.jpg Discontinued in that setup, here's the modern version http://sadpanda.us/images/148164-QRN294U.jpg IIRC its one of the first AR15 rifles to use a piston rather than direct impingement for its gas operation. by extending a gas key forward into the handguard area, and adding the buffer spring there, thus eliminating the need for the buffer tube that is needed for the original AR15 derivatives. (though technically still direct impingement, as the gas piston is rigidly connected to the bolt carrier) also less carbon fouling of the chamber, as the gas is vented in the handguard and I like the folding stock Edited June 13, 2010 by ^Slaanesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted June 13, 2010 Report Share Posted June 13, 2010 You fail son, the LR300 is DI, it just uses an extended gas key that looks like an op-rod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 50th post is mine just to stay on topichttp://saysomethingfunny.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/super-soaker-50.jpg my gun is better than urs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 I'm about to order this knife. http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/Enganacious/ImportedPhotos00140.jpg http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/Enganacious/ImportedPhotos00137.jpg It's a Busse CG-ASH (Combat Grade, Anniversary Steel Heart) and is a monstrous knife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 How much does it go for? I saw one that looked alot like that one at a gunshow a few months ago. In the demo the dood stabbed thru a sandbag, clean thru. He also stabbed the hood of a car about 7 times without damaging the blade. It was awesome. The knife was like $200+ tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted June 14, 2010 Report Share Posted June 14, 2010 It's costing me about $350 (no South Park joke here). But it's a freaking indestructible knife with probably the toughest edge in existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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