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45 and 9mm esssentially have the same stopping power. 5 shots of an 9mm is a pretty big exaggeration and you can accurately double tap a helluva lot faster than you can with a 45, meaning youll get more shots in faster

 

and if i was carrying it around, 9mm guns are generally lighter than 45s, so 9mm.

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i dont see why people think 9mm is that incredibly weak, because it isnt. at the very most, itll take 4 shots to stop someone.

 

and if this is for personal defense, keep in mind you are probably only going to use the gun in a life or death situation, making the user extremely stressed if not properly trained, throwing off the users general abiblity to function (and even then, youll still be wired). you wont be able to aim with 100% at a specific bodypart, making the generally faster firing and more controllable 9mm more reliable.

you also have to take into account how many targets, how much collateral damage you might cause, and if you do miss any shots and your target isnt down what are you going to do? if you miss, the 9mm is much more forgiving with more ammo and lower recoil to re-aim. 45 will take longer to accurately re-aim and and you try to shell out rounds too fast youll be shooting air or someone/something else

9mm = efficiency, 45 = power.

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That's bogus. You can't claim a max number of shots to stop anyone. I read a new report where a guy on PCP took 9 shots from a 9mm before he went down. I've read a report where a guy took 3 shots from a .45 (one in the chest, one in the abdomen, and one in the leg) and ran several blocks before he collapsed. The fact of the matter is that you can never be sure of how someone is going to react to being shot. What you can control is the size of the hit they're going to take. A bigger, more powerful projectile is more likely to stop them than a smaller one is. The firing rate of these pistols is negligible; you're either going to fire as fast as you can pull the trigger (and miss horribly in all likelihood) or you're going to make concentrated shots. However, any armament is better than no armament when it comes down to it.

 

I'm thinking about getting a handgun. I'm still a year away from qualifying for a CHL but Texas allows for you to carry a concealed handgun on your way to your vehicle from your home, vice-versa, and while in your home or vehicle. It has to be concealed from view in your vehicle though. Anyways, I think I'm going to go down to the gun shop down the road and start seeing how certain ones feel in my hand. I'm really looking to get something in 10mm but we'll need to see how much that'll run me. Handguns are too expensive.

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I can guarantee no one will run away if you shoot them with a Colt Python.

 

http://www.capachat.com/im/articles/capachat_colt_python-357-Magnum180362.jpg

 

 

Its a heavy S.O.B though. Glock 17 and AK-47, though the AK-47 is a pretty cheep weapon and isn't the best weapon ever made. Speaking of which, I'm partial to the SVD Dragnov sniper rifle.

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Me with a Remington 700, Horus Scope, and some other little add-ons.

 

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Me with an M82A1 Barrett, "50 cal", it can be shoulder fired FYI.

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Me with an M82A1 Barrett, "50 cal", it can be shoulder fired FYI.

 

I tried to point one off the shoulder.

 

My weak little arms gave way so fast...

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Lift weights more, also pushups.

 

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I'm working on my wishlist of guns and equipment when I get my grant from a buddy of mine, he's giving me money to strictly purchase guns and related items for my personal arsenal.

 

x2 Rifle Dynamics treated Arsenal SLR-107FR, Nickle Boron Finish, Krebs MkVI Safety, FSC47 flash hiders, Hogue pistol grips, Ultimak rails; one with Fuller modified iron sights, the other with XS Big Dots; I'll also be picking up Surefire G2's and Vltor mounts, an EOTech XPS, Aimpoint Micro, and an EER/Handgun scope for a scout rifle setup, and corresponding magazines and drums; as well as Slings.

 

x1 Rifle Dynamics treated PSL (Dragunov), with Nickle Boron Finish, a Vortex 308 flash hider (provided it's compatable), Hogue pistol grip, Ironwood Designs Dragunov wooden stock, Bipod mount and bipod, and a PSO scope. Also mags and sling.

 

x1 Saiga-12 with a TBD race gun configuration.

 

Handguns and webbing are also TBD.

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Some guns I like.

Heres are two Walther firearms I appreciate.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/waltherwa2000.jpg

The WA2000, a semi-automatic bullpup sniper rifle designed in the late 1970's. It was designed in response to the 1972 Munich Olympic Massacre. The whole gun is designed around channeling recoil in a linear fashion back into the shooters shoulder for comfortable firing. The barrel is floated for cooling and to better handle vibrations and the front clamp on the barrel prevents the gun from fractional lifting upon firing. The bullpup configuration allows a more compact design, maintaining a long barrel while keeping the overall gun length to a minimum.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/walther-p38.jpg

The Walther P-38, one of the most recognizable pistols of German origin, developed to replace the Luger. Gotta love the Megatron gun.

 

Also I like the curious design of these two recoil operated revolvers.

 

The British Webley Fosbery with its daring design, it worked well under good conditions, but under dirty conditions the machanism proved fragile.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/webleyfosberry.jpg

Thanks to the Webley Fosbery we now have the Mateba. The Mateba is a Italian recoil operated revolver. Some interesting facts on the Mateba, Its upper assembly containing the barrel, cylinder and frame slides on rails connected to the lower assembly. Unlike conventional revolvers which require you to manually cock the hammer either by pulling the hammer back or by pulling the trigger, the Mateba cocks the hammer during the rearward motion of the recoil phase, the Mateba also rotates the cylinder on its forward motion. Also the Mateba's barrel is alligned with the bottom of the cylinder (6 o'clock postion) which is for directing the recoil into the shooters hand reducing muzzle flip which is common in revolvers. I also really like how it looks.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/mateba.jpg

 

I'll also list the Sturmgewehr 44 "Storm Rifle", the father of the assault rifle. Developed in Nazi Germany during World War II, it fired from a 30 round clip at a cyclical rate of 500 rpm. One of the most innovative and influential firearms in history, and is widely thought as the direct inspiration for the AK47.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/mp44.jpg

 

Heres the gun I'm hopefully looking to get. The Ruger Mini-14. Heres are two fancy photos of this solid rifle.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/ruger_mini_14.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/mini14.jpg

 

Heres the Belgian made FN P90. One of my favorite modern firearms due to its highly innovative design. It was made as a submachine gun with better stopping power, utilizing the new, more powerful 5.7x28mm round. One of the coolest aspects of the gun is that the magazine lies flat along the top of the gun, sending rounds to the rear. Empty cases are ejected down through the pistol grip.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/fn-p90_henrik-lantz.jpg

 

One of my favorite modern assault rifles is the HK G36 developed in Germany by Heckler & Koch. I absolutely love the look and its highly reliable build quality.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Nomrah/Guns/G36RIFLE.jpg

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lol, Mateba

 

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10mm > .45 > 9mm

 

Well that's a misnomer, it's relavent to the target, distances, and ammo.

 

For example, 127gr. Winchester "Ranger Talon" SXT in 9mm > 230gr. FMJ .45 ACP

 

But this is for purposes of killing human beings.

 

With something like a grizzly bear, a 10mm 230gr. Hardcast (Double-Tap) out of a Glock 20 with a Lone Wolf barrel is going to be a solid bet even in comparison with .44 and .454 (as well as larger ones as well) revolvers. This is because the challenge is penetration, it's shot placement that's going to save your ass, even a 12ga slug in the leg doesn't stop a pissed grizzly, but a 10mm in the brain case will.

 

9mm with good hollowpoints are excellent man-stoppers, they will do the damage, make quick follow up shots, and pack lots of bullets into each magazine. Not to mention 9mm being so popular and widely used, makes it a very cheap round to buy for training purposes.

 

.45 ACP usually packs a monsterous level of knock-down power, because it's a slower moving, heavy fat bullet that usually delivers alot if not all of it's energy in target; .45 ACP frangible would be a perfect round for dropping a dude dead with one shot to the torso; but they're expensive, and there are some people out there not comfortable with shooting a big 45.

 

10mm is going to deliver alot more penetration, especially with hardcast rounds. But it's a high-velocity cartridge that really shines with frangible ammo, 10mm frangible will be like eating a .308 rifle round at close range, F-U-C-K-I-N-G-D-E-A-D-B-R-O.

 

40 S&W is a tamer version of the 10mm, as well as being vastly more common and much cheaper; it's a less violent round to shoot.

 

.357 is probably the fastest of the lot, a reason behind why alot of people are looking into it.

 

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All of these calibers work.

 

Frangibles

Hollowpoints

Hardcast

Ball (FMJ)

 

Frangible rounds are bullets that are basically a compressed metal powder, that will punch through the kind of stuff you want a bullet to shoot through, but when it hits fleshy things, the bullet comes apart into very small bits. While this doesn't sound like a good thing, it means the bullet delivers 100% of it's energy into the target, causing a massive internal cavity, with usually no exit wound. They do have problems with anything possessing a tough exterior (cars, vests, thick hides i.e. large animals).

 

Hollowpoints have cavities and in many cases specialized designs; there are "solid" ones which are all one metal, usually a copper alloy, soft cored ones like Winchester SXT, and more conventional hollowpoints which are like regular ball rounds with a cavity dug out of the tip. JHP's are technically hollowpoints but their performance is generally much weaker then a true hollowpoint as they are usually not really intended to expand.

 

Hardcast rounds are for shooting dangerous game because it'll punch through a big animal like a bear or moose. But I would imagine a bonded hollow point (one with a plastic filler in the point to improve penetration and flight stability) would be for a caliber of sufficient power (.45/10mm) almost as solid a choice.

 

Ball rounds are any that have solid jackets (copper, copper alloy, brass, etc..) they are not designed to expand or fragment, they are usually the poorest performers in terms of terminal ballistics.

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I recently fell in love with this rifle the LR300 platform

 

http://sadpanda.us/images/148163-J5XEWII.jpg

 

Discontinued in that setup, here's the modern version

 

http://sadpanda.us/images/148164-QRN294U.jpg

 

IIRC its one of the first AR15 rifles to use a piston rather than direct impingement for its gas operation. by extending a gas key forward into the handguard area, and adding the buffer spring there, thus eliminating the need for the buffer tube that is needed for the original AR15 derivatives. (though technically still direct impingement, as the gas piston is rigidly connected to the bolt carrier)

 

also less carbon fouling of the chamber, as the gas is vented in the handguard

 

and I like the folding stock

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I'm about to order this knife.

 

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/Enganacious/ImportedPhotos00140.jpg

 

http://i640.photobucket.com/albums/uu125/Enganacious/ImportedPhotos00137.jpg

 

It's a Busse CG-ASH (Combat Grade, Anniversary Steel Heart) and is a monstrous knife.

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How much does it go for?

 

I saw one that looked alot like that one at a gunshow a few months ago. In the demo the dood stabbed thru a sandbag, clean thru. He also stabbed the hood of a car about 7 times without damaging the blade. It was awesome. The knife was like $200+ tho.

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