You're kidding right? What you're telling me is that Arakune/Rachel/Nu can't turtle? I haven't ever seen Spiderman move forward EVER, except for one time when some beat Arakune player got me corner guard trapped and kept crushing my guard with BEEEEEES. I've seen Rachel players just hang back throwing shit out when you try to get in and just wait for NegPen to show up before moving forward, get in a quick combo and back out again. Nu will LOSE if she comes to you because if she gets too close, that puts her too close inside 5D range. It whiffs. Why would she move forward? You tell me this game has no turtling, when the TOP 3 CHARACTERS can turtle it out better than Dhalsim... I... I don't see it. *Edit: The only fighting games I can straight up say there is no turtling in would be Smash and anything from SNK.