Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 sceptile is faster tho, and a super effective stab leaf storm with taht huge spatk stat would probably ohk cloyster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Yeah, but he's saying after a Shell Break. That's atk+ and spd+. He's saying in this case that'll be faster than Sceptile behind a sub. That seems possible to me since Cloyster isn't quite as slow as it looks. I'm not so sure though...iirc Sceptile is super duper fast. Like 120 base speed or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 oh yeah shell breakafter 1 shell break, youd need 252 speed EVs and speed nature to beat out a sceptile with 252 speed EVs and speed natureif you dont have the EVs or nature on cloyster tho, sceptile will outspeed (because sceptile should always have max speed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ataraxis Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Cloyster only needs 44 speed EV's and a nature that doesn't reduce speed in order to beat out max speed Sceptile (372). Shell Break raises speed two stages, getting it to 374. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 i thought it only raised it 1 stage D: thats fucking ridiculous i bet even after a def reduction, cloyster still has enough to give phys attackers a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted March 11, 2011 Report Share Posted March 11, 2011 Yeah but if you are thinking somebody is going to try and switch something like a Scepticile into Cloyster, just fire off ice-shard, it won't survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 i wouldnt switch sceptile in on a cloyster unless i had a free switch and cloyster didnt have a shell break active Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ataraxis Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 i thought it only raised it 1 stage D: thats fucking ridiculous i bet even after a def reduction, cloyster still has enough to give phys attackers a problem It's +2 Speed, +2 Attack, +2 Special Attack, -1 Defense, and -1 Special Defense. That gives Cloyster some pretty good options (it's Atk and Sp. Atk can both be pretty good), but man that Sp. Def is low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Arc Chaos Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 i wouldnt switch sceptile in on a cloyster unless i had a free switch and cloyster didnt have a shell break activehttp://img861.imageshack.us/img861/3159/fuck.png Just say fuck it and go balls deep leaf storm dude. Should be faster than Cloyster even after shell break. I though Cloyster's max speed was only up to 262? Sorry I'm not up to speed with these new pokemon games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 it was already explained in this topic that cloyster with 1 shell break will outspeed a sceptile, and ice shard will go straight through subscloyster would have to be a fresh switch in or not have a shell break for sceptile to stand a chance against a faster poke with ice moves that jizz all over subs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gay Uncle Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) Nattorei > Cloyster. Technician Hitmontop is pretty anti-metagame at the moment too, stopping the likes of Cloyster and Excadrill (and accompanying Tyranitar) in their tracks. Poliwrath resists all attacks, as does Empoleon. Roobushin has 416 attack at max, and deals a minimum of 75% with Mach Punch. Specially-based Lucario is more prominent this gen, and Vacuum Wave is an overkill even without a defense drop. Positive natured scarf Pokemon with a speed stat of 100 or more outspeed it, and can revenge it; Garchomp, Infernape, Latios and a host of others can revenge it with ease. Dream World Pokemon get released periodically. That basically means that as they are released by Game Freak, they are allowed in standard play. If you play on the Pokemon Online simulator, you will find that there is a Standard Wifi tier which is designed to reflect what would be "legal" on Wifi without the use of hacking devices, and a full Dream World tier, where players can use Pokemon with Dream World abilities whether they have been released or not. Edited March 12, 2011 by Sandra Bullock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 (edited) What about Haxorus? EDIT: I think it's HILARIOUS that the bad guys in Black and White are like a Pokemon version of PETA; I think this is Japan's middle finger to the Sea Shepard fags. Edited March 12, 2011 by DangerWorldWide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gay Uncle Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Pretty sure that Gastrodon is banned right now, as it learns STAB Earth Power and Surf. ... too soon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Swampbert? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted March 15, 2011 Report Share Posted March 15, 2011 I wanna say that was just Loft making a joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Arc Chaos Posted March 17, 2011 Report Share Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) Metagrime (Metagross) @ Lum BerryTrait: Clear BodyEVs: 236 HP / 248 Atk / 20 Def / 4 SpdAdamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)- Agility- Earthquake- Bullet Punch- Stealth Rock Sour Diesel (Sceptile) (M) @ LeftoversTrait: OvergrowEVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDefHardy Nature- Substitute- Leech Seed- Leaf Storm- Hidden Power [ice] Blue Eyes (Gyarados) (M) @ Life OrbTrait: IntimidateEVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 SpdJolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)- Dragon Dance- Waterfall- Outrage- Bounce Hungar (Gengar) (F) @ Choice ScarfTrait: LevitateEVs: 4 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SpdTimid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)- Shadow Ball- Thunderbolt- Focus Punch- Hidden Power [ice] Derpnizzle (Flygon) (M) @ Choice BandTrait: LevitateEVs: 252 Atk / 4 SDef / 252 SpdAdamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)- Earthquake- Outrage- U-turn- Dragon Claw Annoying B. (Blissey) (F) @ LeftoversTrait: Natural CureEVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SDefBold Nature (+Def, -Atk)- Wish- Softboiled- Avalanche- Toxic Edited. Edited March 19, 2011 by Neko Arc Chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ataraxis Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 Unburden on that Sceptile (I can only assume that's what it is) with Leftovers seems to be double odd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Arc Chaos Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 (edited) Unburden on that Sceptile (I can only assume that's what it is) with Leftovers seems to be double odd. Changed leftovers to expert belt. EDIT: Would Life Orb be better in Sceptiles case? Edited March 18, 2011 by Neko Arc Chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ataraxis Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 My point was more that Unburden activates when an item is used or lost, and none of those items will make it kick in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Arc Chaos Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 My point was more that Unburden activates when an item is used or lost, and none of those items will make it kick in.Well what is a good item in that case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted March 18, 2011 Report Share Posted March 18, 2011 sceptile has access to unburden wtf?since when was sceptile called M too? in any case, overgrow and speed EVs with timid is the way to go with sceptile. sceptiles biggest selling point is that hes the fastest subseeder in the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Arc Chaos Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 sceptile has access to unburden wtf?since when was sceptile called M too? in any case, overgrow and speed EVs with timid is the way to go with sceptile. sceptiles biggest selling point is that hes the fastest subseeder in the gameOkay I'll try that once I get on tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ataraxis Posted March 19, 2011 Report Share Posted March 19, 2011 sceptile has access to unburden wtf? Dreamworld ability. Anyway, with an Unburden speed boost, the other EV set up might have worked, though some sort of berry (status, stat boost, healing) that activated it would have been best. SubSeeder is probably the way to go, as noob said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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