Aokiryu89 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) AC Name: HindranceAC Game: LR Classification: Mid Range GunnerCore Type: Light StorageRevision: -1 LCC ADVICE- Frame:Head | Core | Arms | Legs-CR-H81S4- | -YC07-CRONUS- | -CR-A92XS- | -LH07-DINGO2-0/0/5/5/0 | 0/2/8/0/0 | 0/0/6/4/0 | 0/3/3/4/0Internals:Booster | FCS | Generator | Radiator-B03-VULTURE2- | -CR-F73H- | -CR-G91- | -ANANDA-0/5/0/5 | -N/A- | 0/5/5 | 0/1/9Armaments:Inside | Extension | R Back | L Back-N/A- | -CR-E92RM3- | -WB01M-NYMPHE- | -WB03R-SIREN- R Arm | L Arm | R Hanger | L Hanger-CR-WR93RL- | -CR-YWH0SR3- | -CR-WH69H- | -CR-WH69H-Optional Parts:-D01-AMINO- | -CR-D69ES- | -CR-071EC- | -CR-079L+- | -D03-CODON- | -CR-086R+- | -MARISHI- |-KANGI--------------------------------------------------- Frame Color: ALL CAMO- Base | Aid | Opt | Det | JntR: 030 | 035 | 080 | 040 | 050G: 030 | 055 | 080 | 090 | 035B: 040 | 070 | 080 | 190 | 030Weapon Color:R Back | L Back | R Arm | L Arm | R Hangar | L Hangar-Black- | -Blue- | -White- | -Black- | -White- | -Black--------------------------------------------------- Statistics:AP: 8012Weight: 7123EN Supply: 5001Stationary EN Supply: ?Max Boost Speed: 424Turning Speed: 1318Stability: 6342Cooling: 15147Def Shell/Energy: 1606/1526-------------------------------------------------- Description:Hindrance is the LR design of an AC combat style that I have had since AC one. My favorite weapons in the game have always been rifles and handguns, So with LR I was able to combine both of them into a single design. Also missiles, lots of missiles for hard hits against anything. Tactics:Mainly Mid range run and gun, but will also strike at close range if opponent leaves an opening. No real countermeasures aside from ECM so dodging missiles is the only way to avoid them. Known Issues:Testing new design to find flaws but generally will still be weak against long range and short range specialized designs. PvP Information:N/A Current Vs. Record: [0]W - [0]L - [0]D (Updated: 1 Jan. 2010)Win Rate: 100% -------------------------------------------------- Notes:List of parts that are new to design after LCC's advice.S4 HeadG91 generatorM3 missile extensionWB03R-SIRENOp Parts completely switched around aside from Codon and 079L+ Edited October 10, 2011 by Ogawa L.A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCC Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 A Few problems to address, Head/Gen/Radar/OPs are the main ones. Cicada2 doesn't really help you any since you already have a back radar and the stats are otherwise lackluster. If you're using it to combat ecm in single player you should just use Drone(ecm tunes) + kangi OP and no back radar. If you're using it for vs, S2/4 + RA is better if you want a back radar. The head stability on other heads is better which will allow you to drop the SS OP for something else. Siren3 is useless compared to RA1/2 or Siren1. Magnolia has no real use when directly compared to G91 and G84P. Looking at what you're using the design for you'd probably want to use Vulture2/G91 or GULL/Lotus mostly tuned for output on both, but that can be said about almost every AC. Making changes to other parts of the AC will free up more energy anyways, so losing some from the gen won't hurt you if you're used to the current version of your bot. Use Amino and ES OPs on every AC you ever make. Kissyoh/LA/EC/SS are the main OPs you'll dump to make room for other things. If you intend to use your missile+ext up close then RM3 will provide better accuracy since RM2 will often fly over their head if you're super close range or boosting forward. Using 99UL over Cronus is generally preferred for the higher AP and random CAMS damage reduction, but it isn't really necessary. With your current gen cronus is better to help deal with heat. For lights you usually want to tune them for defense and cooling instead of weight/accuracy. If you do end up switching the gen you can move some tunes from vulture2's heat onto boost power. Hangar HPs are banned in pvp if you care. switching to 69Hs, Wraiths, or Peryton+Wraith/69H are usual combos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aokiryu89 Posted October 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) I made changes based on your advice and tested it. A WORLD OF DIFFERENCE I guess I just didn't trust the tuning enough before. Hindrance is a whole new a bird thanks for the help I'm updating to it's current design now. Edited October 6, 2011 by Ogawa L.A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCC Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I know i said people usually free up slots by removing Kissyoh/LA/EC/SS, but they're all better than R+/Ribose/Organelle haha. I usually tune ananda for max cooling or 1/9 too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aokiryu89 Posted October 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 I know i said people usually free up slots by removing Kissyoh/LA/EC/SS, but they're all better than R+/Ribose/Organelle haha. I usually tune ananda for max cooling or 1/9 too. Haha! Alright, though even without those my ACs are performing way better now, I'll go ahead and make those changes, thanks for the advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollywood Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Ribose always seemed a bit pointless to me, as you can usually see the missiles that are coming at you. I can't imagine that you need the extra range of R+ when the starter radar is usually sufficient. I think it's 700 range. Some one said once about needing organelle for quick changes in direction but i think that booster accel has that area covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 ribose is the one that gives you missile indicators on the radar right? I use that all the time to dodge without looking. I <3 it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I always choose more radar range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 RAVEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 S2 head and 69RA radar are really the way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 With R+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 i will prepare my ac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 With R+ Ribose is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 No R+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aokiryu89 Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Thanks a lot for the extra input I have several variants of this design so I'll implement your advice into the variants so I can see for myself which one functions the best for me. The initial improvement from LCC's analysis literally was a huge leap in performance so it's going to take awhile for me to be 100% satisfied with the handling. Since I'm back home after moving I've been playing ACFA so I'm going to post the design I'm using in that as well for you guys to pick at. I tested out playing LR after playing it quite a bit and I actually improved my skills in LR after playing FA so it's going to be easier to judge the LR models on my own. (Since nobody can challenge me at home) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Where you live? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aokiryu89 Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Chula Vista Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 No R+ http://i.imgur.com/EtpQL.jpg No, Ribose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Oh you're only two hours away! If this had just been a little earlier in my life I'd drive down to play you. I used to play LR a lot with people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aokiryu89 Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Oh you're only two hours away! If this had just been a little earlier in my life I'd drive down to play you. I used to play LR a lot with people! Sheesh it's always just been me and my brother, we played a lot on the original AC and AC3 but ACLR was kinda the point where we stopped playing against eachother a lot in the game. I was such a sucky builder back then, funny how I needed a Degree in Avionics to actually fully enjoy and beat all of my AC games lol. http://i.imgur.com/EtpQL.jpg No, Ribose. My ability to dodge any fire is based on my ability to detect an enemies position. If your firing missiles outside of my range and outside of my field of vision I'm probably going to get hit by them anyways regardless of my ability to see a red blip coming at me at maximum velocity. It's like trying to detect a large harry mexican at his maximum striking distance in a dark alley. All I hear is "Bueno!" then my mech screams in agony as it's armor is penetrated over and over by a barrage of missiles. R+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 It was more or less me messing with Owen, seeing missiles on radar is pretty useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 tbh I actually really do like ribose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Jobber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I've never been able to dodge missiles from radar, and there's very few times someone gets behind me. It's nice if you have the space, but R+ is more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aokiryu89 Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 True that, I just remember the horror of being raped by missiles and grenades from really high impossible to reach places. Oh the horror, oh the humanity! The whole radar screen was just a big red blob of death! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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