Rachis Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Flying was in ACV. It was called RJs and we all know how well that worked out for the metagame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendragon Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 To be fair, RJs were always for hipsters who couldn't handle regular bipeds and just wanted to jump like Mario while sacrificing stability out the ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachis Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 That makes zero sense considering RJs, traditionally, have had good stability. It wasn't an issue maintaining vertical positions in previous games though. ACV makes you go out of your way to stay above your opponent and RJs are the lazy/easy answer. It doesn't help that RJs also have good CE defense so the CE weapons got the shaft due to limited targets that were going to vulnerable to CE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 What? RJs traditionally have ass stability, plus ass turning and leg capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 nah I get what he's saying. Nexus and on they had shit stability but before that they had god stability. So in that sense he's right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necron Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 The animations seem a lot better from what I saw in the livestream, especially the weapon switching. Also holy fuck the bar that was on the back of that AC was actually a weapon arm cannon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drathar Warrior Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 I'm surprised that no one ever mentions what I consider one of the biggest flaws in ACV. Specifically speaking, Each leg category specializes in only one type of defense, such as Heavy Bi-ped being primarily TE resistant, Heavy RJs being primarily CE resistant, etc. The problem arises when someone who likes to pilot a specific AC style being forced to take a hit on defense. Why shouldn't I be able to pilot a Heavy Leg AC that is primarily KE resistant or CE resistant instead of TE? Yes, you can make up some of the difference with core, arms and legs, but it seems like an unnecessary part limitation that hurts the number of competitive builds. By the way, FA was probably the best game in the series, and just being fast was not enough to beat even the mid-tier players in that game. If you didn't recognize the tactics and strategies at play, you were toast. Hopefully VD addresses ACVs numerous flaws because ACV is just one of those games that had ridiculous amounts of potential and fell flat on it's face because of dumb developer and publisher decisions. Believe me, I work with plenty of software developers, and while intelligent, sometimes common sense eludes them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachis Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) Randomizing variables hurts a competitive environment. Also, FA doesn't function as an online game. It's laggier than fighters. So you can shove that FA is the best game crap lol. Making AC4 so fast that the engine and servers could barely handle what was going on was not a step in the right direction. Edited April 16, 2013 by Rachis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 By the way, FA was probably the best game in the series  Fuck you never come back to this site again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 What an awful first post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendragon Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) FA was the best game series Last Raven gives you the middle finger, buddy. Although I do agree with the other parts of your post. ACV needs more variety in leg parts. Edited April 16, 2013 by Pendragon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tidus Klein Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 it wasent the best ac game i ever played Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aokiryu89 Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 I enjoy pegging and sodomy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachis Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 (edited) I enjoy pegging and being sodomized Fixed. I enjoy the act of sodomy. He's just a homosexual. Edited April 16, 2013 by Rachis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ataraxis Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Fixed. I enjoy the act of sodomy. He's just a homosexual. Hey now, I like dicks as much as the next guy, but that doesn't make it alright to like FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KORTOKtheSTRONG Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 acfa was the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aokiryu89 Posted April 17, 2013 Report Share Posted April 17, 2013 http://youtu.be/oSEiEB2oyeQÂ http://youtu.be/oSEiEB2oyeQÂ Anal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drathar Warrior Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 lol, elitism much? Listen, I definitely agree that ACFA was too fast for it's own good, but that's not actually the games fault. That issue actually lays with U.S. networks that are painfully slow compared to most of Asia and Europe. Another thing is that FA was the first game out of the series to suffer the least from FROM's typical bait and switch feature tactic. If you don't know what I'm talking about, it's when FROM would partially include some potentially awesome feature (Co-Op, AI, Online Play, Team Play without forcing stupid "Leader" categories), making it seem (only logically) that it would be included in the next game only to see the feature stripped out; never to resurface until 2-3 iterations later. Hey, I love the older games as much as the next guy, but thank God AC4 finally stepped away from the bunny-hop tactic. AC - Last Raven should have been renamed "Jump-and-shot-robots" or "Bunny-Hop Robots". It only makes sense that the only real way for an AC (or Next etc.) to survive the combat that Armored Core portrays is to be able to out maneuver missiles, or intercept them, and out maneuver supersonic munitions; hence a faster game makes more sense. If ACFA retained the pacing and speed of AC4, it would have been near perfect. As far as the older games; thank God for x-link Kai. Also, this may be my first post on this forum ("actually I don't think it is, I just had to re-register") but I've been around for a while. And what's wrong with booty-sex so long as that ass is clean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Hop back on dat kai and let this OB Express teach you how Last Raven is more than hop and shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drathar Warrior Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Would do if I still had the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachis Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 (edited) If we are going to call the old games "Hop And Shoot Robots", then the new games should be called "Lets See Who Can Spam The LB/LT Button The Most While Completely Neglecting Our Energy Bars Cuz They Never Run Out And If They Do Then HAHA Cuz I Don't Have To Worry About Gen Bust Anymore Or Heat For That Matter". It's really fun oversimplifying games. And no dude there's this big problem with gaming nowadays where developers are trying to pretend at being purists by cutting away all the "unnecessary" crap that's in games so they can get to the heart of gameplay. They think they are doing us a solid as gamers when in fact all it's doing is destroying any semblance of depth that video games used to have. It's a real problem. We could call it CoDifying considering that game is by far the easiest, most popular game I've ever played. Unreal Tournament, Quake, Red Faction, Tribes would be pleased...not. Edited April 18, 2013 by Rachis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 idk about elitism, just seems like lots of folks disagreed is all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drathar Warrior Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Good point. There was definitely tactics and strategy involved beyond just the bunny-hop, but the same is true with the movement in FA. Anybody who would just spam QB would get owned by the top level players (not gonna name names, because everybody is going to argue with the list). Of course it's not about blindly simplifying games for simpletons. The AC franchise has always stood out a difficult game, but you can always complicate a game more (My ACs oil is leaking! I'm blacking out from the g-force! My pilot didn't eat a healthy breakfast!); I get it. So the question is how do you get a baseline to determine what is too much and what is too simple? There's a lot of possible answers, but what I decided (for myself) is "If the technology existed, would it make sense?" Who would create a war machine that constantly overheats? Why would a humanoid robot be a better choice than a jet or tank? Just as an example, in ACV you have that new mechanic where you have to toggle you boosters on and off. Sure it makes the game harder, but does it really add to the game? In a real world scenario, that's akin to you having to toggle your car's accelerator on and off for city driving. You can make a game harder and add to it, or you can make a game harder and take away from it and right now ACV has made the series harder (mechanic-wise), but it hasn't really added anything to the gameplay. The mechanics in AC4 were probably more solid than FA, but FA didn't suffer from some of the weird limitations. idk about elitism, just seems like lots of folks disagreed is all That's a double lol. If you have a difference of opinion and your immediate instinct is to tell people to "f-off" and "middle finger to you" and posts about gay butt-sex, then there is definitely a bit of an old-guard mentality at work. People just looked at my post number and assumed I just bought the game yesterday, but that number means very little. I rarely post in any of the AC forums and the only reason I'm posting now is cause I have high hopes for ACVD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 fa is not that fast the biggest issue with fa is that AC design is much more important than the players mechanical and strategical skill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ataraxis Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 People just looked at my post number and assumed I just bought the game yesterday, but that number means very little. I rarely post in any of the AC forums and the only reason I'm posting now is cause I have high hopes for ACVD. Nobody here gives a shit about post count, though (except maybe Raor). Most people just really didn't like FA. I've never even played it, but AC is trash so w/e. Point is, I guarantee you got the same response anyone else would have for saying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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