CELTICMUTT7 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Im not its a different category this acv pvp is a whole new battlefield and way more complicated i love ac3 but thats an old game and and old way to look at a game there needs to be more consideration in balancing acv including tactics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aokiryu89 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Dark Souls II doesn't even have the director that made DeS and DkS a success, i feel like they're not taking it as seriously. I wonder if Miyazaki is working on this instead. That's not entirely accurate. I believe I said this before, anything goes wrong with DSII it will because the overall team involved with the project was sleeping on the job while letting the new guys walk all over them. Including Miyazaki who still plays a supervisory role. Of course there is all the "creative licence they get but how far do you think they will let them go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever aLonestar Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Ehhhh. Unless they change the entire system I won't be buying this. ACV was an enormous disappointment and got old pretty fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last0Raven Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 i dont know man. ACV wasnt an enourmous disappointment for me. I mean i wish they had a better story but i still had fun customizing my mech as usual like in all the past armored core series. When i saw ACV verdict day on AC.net page i was so excited that the story would possibly continue after the ACV ending. The AC from the promotion image looks bad a$$ too . Also since i am a fan of Last Raven, something tickled my interest when i saw some screen shots http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z134/last0raven/011.jpgIf you look closely, doesnt that head piece look extremely similar to the CR-H06SR2 on the cascade ranger?The CR-H06SR2 is my second favorite head part in the AC series. Im so excited and can't wait to put that on my mech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pendragon Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 It does look awfully similar. The new leg part seems cool too, unless they already have that. I'm going blind as a bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last0Raven Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 It does look awfully similar. The new leg part seems cool too, unless they already have that. I'm going blind as a bat. It is a new leg part because i was not in ACV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KORTOKtheSTRONG Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 It is a new leg part because i was not in ACV then where the hell were you explain yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 ASK THE META Also SL had lots of stuff going on in it, strategy-wise. So did LR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barilzar Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Also SL had lots of stuff going on in it, strategy-wise. So did LR. All the games did, ACV is just a completely different beast from what the previous games were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barilzar Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Well what I mean is that it barely retains the mechanics of Armored Core. Outside of customization and AP, there is nothing that makes this game recognizable as being Armored Core. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YUNG MASTERLESS GLENCOUR Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Right, I was referring to this, though: This is no longer ac3 its pvp at a whole new level thus tactical abilities must be balanced as well winning with dool sidenbaums doesnt mean ur good or smart it means ur using top tier ask the meta Im not its a different category this acv pvp is a whole new battlefield and way more complicated i love ac3 but thats an old game and and old way to look at a game there needs to be more consideration in balancing acv including tactics Essentially I'm saying those games had a lot more higher-order thinking/planning/strategy/etc going on in them then he is giving them credit for, in high-level play anyways. Just because it's old doesn't necessarily mean it was "simple." I can't speak on ACV much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CELTICMUTT7 Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Tactics were simpler on ac3 when it came to battlefield placement cover is really a newer element in ac At least to the extent it can be implemented in acv with recons I do admit the quoted comment was an overstatement but you get the point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffon Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 (edited) but you get the pointI'm not trying to be difficult, but I don't. Cover still played a huge role in the raven games, arguably moreso since you could still lock on through cover, making corner hugging and potshots a very common tactic, not even getting into vertical missiles in those games. Not saying cover doesn't play a role in ACV (I think the only game it didn't really was fA), but I think both games utilize cover equally. Differently maybe, but equally. Edited March 2, 2013 by Griffon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 in fa, use of cover is extremely powerful with high-ap acs and its basically the only way to make tanks work (coverwhore tanks are brutal though) no one uses it tho because they have 2 much fun spamming infinite energy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aokiryu89 Posted March 2, 2013 Report Share Posted March 2, 2013 in fa, use of cover is extremely powerful with high-ap acs and its basically the only way to make tanks work (coverwhore tanks are brutal though) no one uses it tho because they have 2 much fun spamming infinite energy I did come across a vid in which the finalists for some competition for AC4 were both tanks doing just that. That map with the big fuck off satellite arrays that couldn't be blown up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CELTICMUTT7 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Good point i guess all im saying is that the tactic is op and one that was not possible in some early ac games like ac3 but overall from soft should have taken the popshot tactic, the movement jammer tactic, and the tunnel troll tactic into consideration more and possibly made them harder to do because after all they are easy wins in the hands of anyone decent at the game plus when two tryhards are playing rock paper scissors counterbuilding and using these tactics the game is at its worst in my opinion... soooo annoying Hopefully in ac verdict gimmicks wont play such a huge role making average players a challenge and better players so annoying perhaps then we would see more diversity than different variants of three concepts this is my opinion but as with all games it will have different things exploited to take away balance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffon Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Good point i guess all im saying is that the tactic is op and one that was not possible in some early ac games like ac3I'll ask you to watch from Last Raven please.Now I haven't played ACV in a long time so maybe the potshots you're talking about are something different but the video shows that heavy use of cover and (what I know as) potshots were still very prevalent. Now the example shown in the video wasn't every match in those games as it depended on the map, but nobody back then would consider it "cheap" or "OP". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barilzar Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Good point i guess all im saying is that the tactic is op and one that was not possible in some early ac games like ac3 but overall from soft should have taken the popshot tactic, the movement jammer tactic, and the tunnel troll tactic into consideration more and possibly made them harder to do because after all they are easy wins in the hands of anyone decent at the game plus when two tryhards are playing rock paper scissors counterbuilding and using these tactics the game is at its worst in my opinion... soooo annoying Lol movement jammer tactic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aokiryu89 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 I was hoping they'd go on and bridge the gap in armor strength but the stats on one of the screenshots tells me otherwise. Having 3 armor and weapon types is cool but having that drastic difference in effectiveness is blatant ludicracrosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barilzar Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 I was hoping they'd go on and bridge the gap in armor strength but the stats on one of the screenshots tells me otherwise. Having 3 armor and weapon types is cool but having that drastic difference in effectiveness is blatant ludicracrosity. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CELTICMUTT7 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 (edited) Yes the ease of movement jammer gat or gat turret is comparable to the ease of pop shotting and to think it is inventive is a horrible misunderstanding As for griffin that is not the same as the cqc sniping i am talking about obviously the limitations of sniping in that game or ac3 is completely different than acv where you can carry duel sidenbaums rivaling some cannons in a mw or lw and move at ridiculous speeds in a mw you can pair it with dool lotus to cover scissors and rock for you to completely understand i will post a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ-hdXjxW4A&feature=youtube_gdata_player this is the best i can do for now but the speed speaks for itself in this the snipers dont weigh down this hwbp at all Sorry you cannot see his blue lock due to the match being recorded from operator mode 4:07 is a perfect example Edited March 3, 2013 by CELTICMUTT7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aokiryu89 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 That HW is moving ludicrously fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barilzar Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Yes the ease of movement jammer gat or gat turret is comparable to the ease of pop shotting and to think it is inventive is a horrible misunderstanding Hilarious, the only thing the jammer combo is good for is killing tanks, after that its all based on positioning and luring your opponents into the the jammer. If your getting beat by it, then your just fucking shitty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x J L e W Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 (edited) This is so dumb. People calling FA button mashing, sorry you were shitty at the game. People calling pop shotting snipers OP, you need to realize that snipers can't handle pressure worth shit and that pop shotting is very far from OP. Once again, sorry you're shitty at the game. People.....well Celtic...saying jammers are OP....you know what, you shouldn't even be allowed to reproduce.. Edited March 3, 2013 by x J L e W Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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