The Talentless Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 FAMAS is good. So irking. Even though it is the endallbeall, I do prefer the Aug instead. The Famas certainly doesn't feel like an ACR to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenin Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 AK47 is the most accurate assault rifle. FAMAS is the best assault rifle. I think Raor was saying FAMAS is the ACR because it's the best, but I hope not because then it'd make less sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakuhatsu Pengin Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 i think he meant acr is like famas as in everyone and their mother uses it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Talentless Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 ACR may have had zero recoil, but that doesn't mean it was the best. Also, I saw/see more Scars and Tars than I did ACRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 It's popular because it gives everyone an excuse to just run and gun. I have a hard time not being able to do that myself as holding the street or your own house has become more dangerous than just pressing the enemy house so my goal is usually just secure the street long enough for me to push to the garage and once I'm comfy there I will eventually work my way into establishing the house as my "hunting ground." Either way the Black Ops maps were designed in such a way that you have to be active around the map. In MW2 I felt like I could actually lockdown an area. My best example is at the park map (I forget the name). The castle was basically my bitch.I fucking hated that map. It was like Shipment in MW1. CoD will never be as good as it was in CoD4 because CoD4 was a fluke and developers will forever scratch their heads trying to figure out what the fuck they did right as they continue to belt out progressively worse games on an annual basis.I coin this "The Square Effect." Based on repeated and progressively worse Final Fantasy games trying to recapture the magic of FF1-7. FAMAS is the BOPs ACR, Commando is it's SCAR w/ 30-round mags.Bullshit. The Galil is the ACR. You don't miss with the gun, and it's low power. All of this is irrelevant, though, as the AK-74u is the best gun in the game overall. Silencer+Grip or Grip+Extended Mags is retarded. You will win any gun battle at any range as long as you can clearly see the enemy. i think he meant acr is like famas as in everyone and their mother uses itI can agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renketsu0 Posted June 12, 2011 Report Share Posted June 12, 2011 I coin this "The Square Effect." Based on repeated and progressively worse Final Fantasy games trying to recapture the magic of FF1-7. Be there or be Square. They chose the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Galil is high power, does the same damage as Commando or AK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Talentless Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I couldn't hit for shit today with the Galil. But I used the Kiparis with rapid fire for the first time, and I had a ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Commando/Galil/AK47 (BOPS) = TAR21 (MW2) = AK47 (MW1)FAMAS/AUG = Commando + Rapid Fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachis Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) Famas =/= Aug Bullshit. The Galil is the ACR. You don't miss with the gun, and it's low power. All of this is irrelevant, though, as the AK-74u is the best gun in the game overall. Silencer+Grip or Grip+Extended Mags is retarded. You will win any gun battle at any range as long as you can clearly see the enemy. Doesn't quit work that way buddy. Famas by default will have the rof edge over the 74u with that attachment setup as well as the fact that the famas user will most likely be rocking sleight of hand while you are stuck with the slow reload. If you decided to overcome that issue with rapid fire then you cut your range down even further. The assault rifle's having a greater aim assist range than smg's makes the famas the clear winner in most scenarios. It just wasn't meant to be for an smg to be a superior weapon in black ops. The only things really going for the 74u is that, should you confine yourself strictly to cqc, the 74u is consistent, good irons, and your 5% movement speed increase. None of these really make it a super serious contender against famas though. Edited June 13, 2011 by Rachis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 The AK74u has a slow reload? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 The 74u and Kiparis actually has AR aim assist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I'd really only give the FAMAS the edge running SoH Pro, but I'm weird like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethos Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 The AK74u has a slow reload? I'm thinking that rachis meant that as he was comparing the FAMAS with SoH and the 74u+warlord required to have multiple attachments. Bullshit. The Galil is the ACR. You don't miss with the gun, and it's low power. All of this is irrelevant, though, as the AK-74u is the best gun in the game overall. Silencer+Grip or Grip+Extended Mags is retarded. You will win any gun battle at any range as long as you can clearly see the enemy. I disagree with this. At close range, the famas/aug will beat it out cause they pump out rounds faster. at medium range, they contend with commando, ak and galil. While 74u still has a shot, all of those 3 guns can certainly give it trouble. Plus, doesn't he 74u have smg penetration and not rifle penetration? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Penetration in Black Ops without Hardened seems to be basically non-existent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 Even with Hardened, penetration is pretty much non-existent, unless you play Nuketown 24/7. A lot of CoD players complained that penetration was too good in the previous CoD games so TA made many of the walls and objects impenetrable (even at some open areas, bullets will go to a void [in reality, there is an invisible wall]). For example, steel use to penetrable by LMG with Deep Impact in CoD4 are are now impenetrable even with Hardened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brit Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) I disagree with this. At close range, the famas/aug will beat it out cause they pump out rounds faster. at medium range, they contend with commando, ak and galil. While 74u still has a shot, all of those 3 guns can certainly give it trouble. Plus, doesn't he 74u have smg penetration and not rifle penetration? The AK-74u with just about any attachment is stupid. Just putting a grip on it with SoH makes it unfair at most ranges. D: I... I don't know what shooting through stuff is. D: I never try that on anything that isn't wood or glass. If I can't shoot over it and hit you, I'm throwing shit at you. Edited June 13, 2011 by Brit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachis Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) The 74u and Kiparis actually has AR aim assist. lol they sure don't on the xbox Edited June 13, 2011 by Rachis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I never found aim assist that big of a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renketsu0 Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 FAMAS on black ops feels a whole lot like the last game's M4A1, which was my very favorite even though I used the ACR more. The ACR made me feel like I was cheating so it didn't count. But like the last M4, it has fast RoF, respectable power, decent recoil, mag size, and reload speed. The only thing I can't love about the gun is it's accuracy at long ranges, which isn't even bad. Just not good enough for me to be confident I'd see points after I pull the trigger from across the map. If I can lrn2burst again like I did with MW2's UMP45, long range won't be an issue and I'll have no complaints. The 74u on the other hand feels like MW2's UMP45 to me, which was third on my list. Pretty good, just not the best because of the RoF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shirtless Crackhead Posted June 13, 2011 Report Share Posted June 13, 2011 I'm honestly w/ Rachis in that most every MW2 does not have a suitable counterpart in BOPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachis Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 The only similarities that exist are with playstyle. Like I ran the Famas from the very beginning because of it's high rate of fire and the need to burst fire it at range. It's those qualities that made me pick the M4 in CoD4 and the Tar in MW2. The Famas really isn't anything like the M4 in MW2 because the M4 had a noticeable disadvantage in power, something that rate of fire completely overrides in Black Ops, and was also very accurate. All you needed to do was aim center mass and lay on the trigger. I rarely remember having to really force myself to burst fire the M4. I stuck with that weapon for a very long time until finally switching over to the Tar for it's superior power and that enabled me to start running Cold-Blooded to hide from air support. In Black Ops, the Famas is not accurate whatsoever, making it very necessary to burst fire at even midrange, and it's power disadvantage is easily shadowed by it's rate of fire. If the Famas either 1) wasn't classified as an assault rifle or 2) didn't have the max rate of fire then I am certain that it would not be the superior weapon in Black Ops. The AK47, Commando, Galil, and AK74u are far easier to handle and really only fall short of top tier because of Black Ops bias towards rate of fire. AK74u is just helped out by it's attachments. I don't believe that smg's really have a place in this game from my experience though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriferZer0 Posted June 18, 2011 Report Share Posted June 18, 2011 (edited) Famas is getting reworked next patch. Aug and 74u will stay the same though. http://twitter.com/#!/DavidVonderhaar Edited June 18, 2011 by StriferZer0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Talentless Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 I'm already accustomed to getting angry when I'm killed by this weapon in any firefight. So, even if the gun does become weaker in whatever sense, people are still going to overuse it, and I'm still going to get angry. Even though I probly shouldn't be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachis Posted June 19, 2011 Report Share Posted June 19, 2011 (edited) "Changes: Tweaks on ADS raise time; Hip fire accuracy reduction; more gun kick (so less accurate) and slightly slower re-center speed." Basically they are making it slower and less reliable. If no changes are made to the AUG then I see no reason for people to not just switch over to that weapon. It will probably take a little getting used to the inconsistency of the recoil, but all in all it can do the same job. This is only if the tweaks are noticeable though. Like the AUG reload time and raise time are both .1 behind the Famas I believe and you don't notice it there. If they just match numbers with the AUG then Famas will still be the go-to weapon imo. I guess this is what happens when you introduce so many weapons into a simple game like this though. This must be balancing hell. I mean CoD4 didn't include nearly as many guns and the balance there still wasn't right. I don't get it. Then again I imagine the effort that goes into tweaking these games isn't nearly on the same level as say Blizzard tweaking their games. I never found aim assist that big of a deal. Don't know why I didn't comment on this forever ago. Anyways, if you are fighting within the ranges that the weapons are supposed to then you really aren't going to really notice aim assist mattering. There will be occasions where it's obvious that your reticle is being influenced, but it won't be often. However, when you start trying to hit things outside of your range, I tend to get the absolute most I can out of each weapon so I tend to fire across map when I can with AR's and midrange with SMG's when appropriate, you will start to notice that very smooth and precise movements become necessary to keep you on track. That's because beyond a certain range your aim assist isn't going to help you anymore depending on what weapon class you are using. Edited June 19, 2011 by Rachis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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